Subject	and do they outperform custom manis? no
Posted by	LJZTT on May 29, 2018 at 11:56 AM
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In Reply To	umm...i think performance is a function of funtion. posted by ForceFedTT on May 28, 2018 at 03:15 PM
Message	again, you need better-than-stock-manis, there are multiple ways to get there, MS did not manufacture the holy grail of exhaust gas evacuation..and AGAIN if he did, he should have taken measures to protect his IP. He didn't and the rest is history. Plenty of people have done without MS manis what others have done with, All the rest of the arguments are over which fit nicer, look nicer, out flow the other, outlast the other, etc etc etc....maybe MS is best in every single way, it doesn't matter. "I torch my soul to show the world that I am pure deep inside my heart...." --William Patrick Corgan
Follow Ups	MSP Manifolds soon to be more valuable than gold :-O - ZXoltan 11:26:59 05/24/18 $2K - ouch... (n/m) - CarolinaZ_TT 11:39:10 05/24/18 How greedy (n/m) - Placuch 11:53:23 05/24/18 because you work for what it costs you to work right? - LJZTT 11:02:32 05/26/18 Hey, they told me MINE were the last set! - schuss 12:34:39 05/24/18 Mine were 995 at Coz almost exactly a year ago. (n/m) - schuss 17:35:55 05/24/18 That's ridic (n/m) - FrozTTy 12:46:37 05/24/18 you can bet MS isn't seeing any of this profiteering (n/m) - vorpalZ 13:24:35 05/24/18 and I'm not getting a cut from the dividends his financial - LJZTT 16:50:18 05/24/18 Nobody stopping him from getting back into it. - ZUL8R 11:03:21 05/25/18 It HAS been copied already, the quality just isn't there - schuss 13:30:19 05/25/18 or get a set of Ashspecs which are essentially the same (n/m) - LJZTT 19:43:37 05/25/18 no, they're not (n/m) - vorpalZ 20:47:41 05/26/18 This. (n/m) - MixManMash 08:23:23 05/27/18 from a functional perspective they absolutely are - LJZTT 09:13:24 05/27/18 From a 'functional' perspective a Honda and a Lamborghini - vorpalZ 23:01:01 05/27/18 depends on your requirements - LJZTT 14:23:53 05/28/18 chuckle, I also am not taking that position - vorpalZ 22:52:25 05/28/18 "ESSENTIALLY" != "virtually" - LJZTT 14:40:57 05/29/18 well if that's the *only* criteria - vorpalZ 16:35:28 05/29/18 it isnt, I bought according to my criteria, didn't I? - LJZTT 19:30:14 05/29/18 Oh man. Don't get me started on those Z1 hoses. - MixManMash 17:52:53 05/30/18 pulling the engine in a 1car garage AFTER discovering "oops" - LJZTT 18:23:06 05/30/18 Same. Not to mention the run around they gave me... (n/m) - MixManMash 18:30:04 05/30/18 umm...i think performance is a function of funtion. - ForceFedTT 15:15:21 05/28/18 and do they outperform custom manis? no - LJZTT 11:56:02 05/29/18 It's advisable to focus on breathing when hyperventilating (n/m) - ForceFedTT 17:11:10 05/29/18 here I am having a conversation and you think people are - LJZTT 19:33:21 05/29/18 There are no feasible measures to protect his IP. - Bernie (NoVA) 22:28:51 06/05/18 But are they as pretty? (n/m) - schuss 12:01:26 05/28/18 How much did they used to cost? I genuinely don't know. (n/m) - Zeus 14:08:09 05/24/18 I believe mine were 650 but that was 8 years ago. (n/m) - michaell32 (FL) 14:27:05 05/24/18 That sounds more reasonable. Quite the jump... (n/m) - Zeus 14:48:15 05/24/18 actually they originally sold for somewhere around 900-1100 - LJZTT 16:11:52 05/24/18 This. I paid 900ish for my first set. (n/m) - MixManMash 17:16:55 05/24/18 Yep. I got mine at $650 when MS produced a large batch to - ForceFedTT 15:17:13 05/28/18 i paid $650 for my last set. (n/m) - Musashi Sword 06:38:07 05/25/18 2nd, paid $650 on last group buy (n/m) - 300MPH 14:30:17 05/25/18 Re: MSP Manifolds soon to be more valuable than gold :-O - OleMissFan 14:24:57 05/24/18 Capitalism - nothing wrong with it (n/m) - ztunerz 16:09:43 05/24/18 ^^^ This. Why is this such a hard concept for people? (n/m) - Madhatter10-6 20:52:15 05/24/18 I might pay 2k if I thought they were real. (n/m) - ZUL8R 10:56:49 05/25/18 But you all bitch when someone buys AMS for less $$ (n/m) - xpwarrior 22:13:33 05/24/18 capitalism does not equal reverse engineering (n/m) - gt300zxtt(Jax) 08:02:08 05/25/18 Sure it does. (n/m) - xpwarrior 09:49:43 05/25/18 2nd - ZXRider 12:49:27 05/25/18 actually in the US it does if you choose not to file for - LJZTT 10:40:20 05/26/18 done by a Canadian company from a Chinese factory... sure - vorpalZ 20:51:14 05/26/18 our border policies may not have taxpayer interests in mind - LJZTT 09:10:50 05/27/18 Enforcement authorities, unfortunately, face difficulties... - mysticLegoZ 14:27:19 05/27/18 it isn't they "can't"...they "don't" - LJZTT 15:51:21 05/29/18 Straw man. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 22:43:59 06/05/18 yup. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 22:43:28 06/05/18 AMS aren't capitalists they’re pirates. (n/m) - zantar 08:27:14 05/25/18 meh...while it was a dick move, there are ways to protect - LJZTT 19:45:36 05/25/18 It wouldn’t have mattered - -Grimm- 10:43:09 05/26/18 well if you dont even try, you basically are assuming - LJZTT 10:48:43 05/26/18 Except he's an official reseller selling way above the MSRP. (n/m) - Aqualung 13:04:45 05/25/18 Most reseller rules just prohibit underselling... - schuss 13:28:06 05/25/18 google "SUGGESTED" (n/m) - LJZTT 10:49:29 05/26/18 You could buy a decent running car for that lol (n/m) - Joe@Dewla_DeZign 00:04:29 05/25/18 I would much rather have a set of Ash's manis (n/m) - wh0sjeff 00:20:50 05/25/18 Im sorry for your loss (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 06:55:16 05/25/18 Seriously. (n/m) - CameronSF 10:39:45 05/25/18 Loss as in money? I have a set and the quality is good. - Mr.Stacy 10:09:19 05/27/18 Have you tried to install them yet? (n/m) - ConVerTT 16:57:48 05/27/18 not yet. Did I miss something? I know there is some - Mr.Stacy 05:09:20 05/28/18 yes - here are my 3 big issues - ConVerTT 04:24:46 05/29/18 Thanks for the taking the time to write this up. I truly - Mr.Stacy 08:43:57 05/29/18 Re: Thanks for the taking the time to write this up. I truly - ConVerTT 08:47:26 05/30/18 PS >>> Packaging for shipping - ConVerTT 10:24:28 06/01/18 Re: Have you tried to install them yet? - wh0sjeff 00:48:22 05/29/18 Relax man! I retract my earlier comment about low - ConVerTT 04:40:21 05/29/18 LOL! (n/m) - RoidRage76 00:14:31 05/28/18 Foolishness - ConVerTT 10:24:40 05/25/18 I like good products - ZXRider 12:50:48 05/25/18 I would but I can’t spare em (n/m) - ConVerTT 16:58:33 05/27/18 Understood. You know where to find me - ZXRider 11:01:11 05/28/18 Re: Foolishness - wh0sjeff 09:25:15 05/27/18 LOL - relax man... - ConVerTT 04:35:13 05/29/18 I'll give someone a smoking deal on my set - Stanky (BC) 09:46:08 05/25/18 canadian dollars? (n/m) - ConVerTT 10:25:28 05/25/18 Murica' money (n/m) - Stanky (BC) 14:29:29 05/25/18 What happened to ASH's new ones? What were they going - Zblackbeast 12:04:36 05/25/18 Coz continuing to be a ****. Glad I stopped buying from him. (n/m) - Aqualung 13:02:29 05/25/18 Wish I was sitting on 20 set of them...heck even two of them - ZXoltan 14:00:48 05/25/18 Everyone can complain but you'd all do the same.. - Stanky (BC) 14:35:53 05/25/18 ^this (n/m) - GrecV2 15:50:40 05/25/18 If that were true, someone would have already done it. - ZUL8R 20:10:55 05/25/18 it still true, the real reason I wouldnt do it is because - LJZTT 10:52:34 05/26/18 Speak for yourself only - Brad(RI) 17:49:22 05/27/18 I dont think I speak for myself only.... - Stanky (BC) 13:17:22 05/28/18 Re: MSP Manifolds soon to be more valuable than gold :-O - NIVO88T 15:06:02 05/25/18 Lol. No such thing as "gouging" on non-essential products (n/m) - GrecV2 15:51:13 05/25/18 shame this has to be pointed out (n/m) - LJZTT 12:59:06 05/26/18 Haha TRUE! (n/m) - ForceFedTT 15:23:37 05/28/18 I just installed mine today, after sitting on the shelf for - Inzane 19:24:51 05/25/18 That is AWESOME to hear! - ConVerTT 19:50:44 05/25/18 That is the hope, the dream, the loosely thrown together - Inzane 20:28:30 05/25/18 I just found my set when I was cleaning the garage!! (n/m) - Josher 21:59:56 05/25/18 I've had a NIB set underneath my bed for years. Bought them - 240Z FeO2 08:47:19 05/26/18 Yup, same thing. I’ll probably never use them. - Josher 18:37:34 05/26/18 Sell them to me :) (n/m) - ZXRider 11:00:28 05/28/18 Mike Smith just needs to produce another batch - Gennosuke 22:43:23 05/25/18 obviously they aren't exactly flying off the shelves - LJZTT 10:11:42 05/26/18 True. Seems that CZP is just sitting on some inventory that - ForceFedTT 15:36:11 05/28/18 yep (n/m) - LJZTT 15:34:12 05/29/18 Greed is Life (n/m) - ZonaZ 09:09:33 05/28/18 An entire page of posts about some expensive manifolds - compirate 12:31:48 05/28/18 Welcome to tt.net! - vorpalZ 23:15:34 05/28/18 Yep. This is old school TT.net - ForceFedTT 17:13:47 05/29/18 But when you have this many posts about something as - compirate 18:18:15 05/29/18 A full page of posts about anything is a treat... - Ted (92TT) 22:12:17 05/29/18 Lol LJ. Sooo true (n/m) - ForceFedTT 14:33:21 05/30/18 False, all my internal arguments are long ago settled! - LJZTT 17:43:40 05/30/18 I miss Kenny? (n/m) - MixManMash 17:53:36 05/30/18 Get off of my yard! (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 21:52:56 05/31/18 This doesn't surprise me. - eriksu9 08:53:42 05/29/18 oh F that. Stupid pricing. (n/m) - SkiFly01 11:51:32 05/29/18 to be honest we have been living on the top shelf of - LJZTT 12:01:03 05/29/18 I own an M car, I know the stupid prices. - SkiFly01 12:06:48 05/29/18 True, BMW brand is exploited that way, but Corvette - LJZTT 15:40:26 05/29/18 Audi A3 rearview mirror $500+ WTF?? - Ted (92TT) 21:48:24 05/29/18 funny to read the idiot press parroting the german govt's - LJZTT 22:44:07 05/29/18 Before she got it, she thought an "Audi" was a belly button. - Ted (92TT) 23:56:01 05/29/18 Lol. Not a belly button, but a 4 ringed circus. (n/m) - MixManMash 17:58:57 05/30/18 But the Gwagen is so baller. If I could afford it, I would - MixManMash 17:56:44 05/30/18 I'm more of a unimog fanboy myself, gotta go big (n/m) - LJZTT 18:23:49 05/30/18 I've seen a few of those big boys for sale around here. - MixManMash 18:28:54 05/30/18 Don't forget the diamond encrusted dubs - vorpalZ 07:47:55 05/31/18 I love it in the AMG 6x6 trim. - ConVerTT 10:26:28 06/01/18 not much, 1 divorce plus a 26yr old trophy wife (n/m) - LJZTT 11:52:11 06/01/18 i wanna build a honda just cause o could do it for 10 bucks (n/m) - wh0sjeff 07:12:39 06/03/18 o o o i mean I (n/m) - wh0sjeff 07:14:24 06/03/18
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